British Family Courts: Protecting Children from the Baby Snatchers*

British Family Courts: Protecting Children from the Baby Snatchers*

By Christopher Spivey

I see that Ian Josephs was in the Daily Mirror last week and apparently the subject of a TV documentary on Tuesday night just gone.

Now for those who don’t know Ian Josephs, he is a Monaco based English businessman who gives out free advice to parents who have fallen foul of the Social Services:

A multi-millionaire is helping pregnant women whose babies are deemed at risk to flee the UK.

Ian Josephs has spent over £30,000 helping 200 to avoid having their newborns taken away by social services.

He pays for their fares to a new life and offers them free legal advice, even paying for lawyers in some cases.

Around 50 have fled to Ireland on his money while another 150 went to France, Spain and Italy.

Forced adoption opponent Mr Josephs, who runs a language business and has a law degree, has defended his decision to fund their escape, despite many already having children in care.

He said:

“Social services have moved away from giving families support and are now too quick to take children away.

Course, I would imagine that Ian is busier than ever what with our Sniffenpissin MP’s and their rich friends demanding a regular supply of children to ‘play’ with – and which the British Social Services appear more than happy to supply.

Indeed, it is not unfair to say that child stealing by the state has reached epidemic proportions and has to fucking stop.

Now, it is true to say that over the past 3 or 4 years I have pointed many, many desperate parents in Ian Josephs direction, whilst at the same time always warning them that he can come across as very abrupt and straight to the point.

Moreover, if you don’t follow his advice to the letter he will withdraw his help.

However, I also point out that is just his way and advise them that they need to do exactly what he says because he does actually know what he is talking about.

Course, inevitably his advice will mean that those parents in need of Ian’s help will have to face some daunting challenges which sadly isn’t easy for a lot of people who have been conditioned to rely on the nanny state and now find themselves having to confront it.

And as I am sure most of you know, the social services do pick on those least capable of standing up for themselves.

Never the less, that is what these parents have to do to keep their children and those who do will tell you that it is a truly liberating experience which I would imagine – more often than not – does wonders for their self esteem.

Indeed, I have actually witnessed this change first hand being as I have helped a few women out in the past who were unfortunate enough to find themselves at the mercy of the SS – although I wouldn’t dare claim to be anywhere in Ian Josephs league.

The following was left on my Facebook on New Year’s Eve 2012 and is a direct copy and paste:

I have to say I’m so glad that Marcus Grant sent me over to you it was first for a tattoo, but as time went by I see your posts every day and then realized what you do it took a while due to me being mentally slow lol but when I got into trouble recently I come to you for some advice but being the angel you are you done more then gave me advice you spent the hole 5 nights advising and helping me and that means so much to me specialy from a man I’d never spoke to if their was an award going for a kind hearted man be leave me you should be awarded it because without your help (I no I shouldn’t say this on here but I want everyone to no what you helped me with ) it was you that helped me save my 5 children from the curupted fucked up system and I owe you my life and will be forever in your dept so I prayed to god you have the bestest ov years to come for you your daughter and little bubbs thank you again And HAPPY NEW YEAR xxx your a fucking diamond ov a man xx

Which I thought was lovely.

However, I should point out that the site was a lot less busy then and I had a lot more time on my hands.

Never the less, what follows is an article that I wrote for the Sovereign Independent Newspaper in 2011 questioning the success of fleeing the country and also includes a section on Ian Josephs.

I have ‘tweaked’ the article slightly but it is more or less as it appeared originally. I have also added a short update at the end of the article as well as some information taken from Ian Josephs website.

However, it is suffice to say that any child is very rarely better off in care.

The social services should be a place where parents having difficulty coping can go for help and support, not somewhere that is to be feared and avoided at all costs.

Invasion of the Baby Snatchers

It wasn’t so many years ago that in cases where children were taken from their parents by the social services the general consensus amongst the vast majority of the public was that there had to be a good reason.

Not so any more.

Indeed, many parents in the UK are now so afraid of the social services that they think twice about taking their children to casualty should the need arise in case the doctor or nurse takes it on him/her self to flag the injury as suspect.

In fact it certainly isn’t unfair to say that the fear, mistrust and suspicion afforded to the social services by some, is akin to that afforded to Adolf Hitler’s SS.

Quite appropriate then that both share the same initials.

Then again, the Nazi SS were extremely efficient and very well organized… The same cannot be said for Britain’s SS.

I mean, we are led to believe that the SS are here to protect our children from cruelty and neglect.

Moreover, any decision made by the SS is supposed to be in the best interest of the child which would be commendable if it was true.

Yet what we are seeing now is an organized program of child stealing in order to meet the adoption targets set up under the Blair Government… That and to provide a never ending production line of young children for the filthy rich to film, rape and even murder.

Indeed, there are huge financial incentives offered by the Government to ensure that their targets are met.

On the flip side, under-performing leads to job losses and reduced budgets and is therefore not an option as far as departmental heads are concerned.

This is why Social Workers seek out easy targets mostly made up of: Young single mothers lacking in family support, poorly educated mothers on benefit and children with injuries which are often no more than minor bruises and such like.

Rarely are these children snatched from middle class families which indeed is a major contributing factor in leading to that misguided belief amongst the more affluent members of society that ‘there is no smoke without fire’.

This view inevitably leads to the SS being defended, even justified in being over cautious especially when cases such as Baby P explode in the media.

However in cases such as Baby P and Victoria Climbie, the lack of intervention from social workers is actually to blame.

This lack of intervention stems from the social workers often being intimidated and subject to abuse by the parents of the children they are investigating.

Indeed, quite often the social worker is even denied entry into the home to check on the child’s well being, which is fair enough in most cases, yet unacceptable where there are REAL concerns for a child’s safety.

You see, Social workers, despite what people are led to believe, have very little authority.

Because of this, cases such as Baby P are neglected in favour of easier targets.

And it is this lack of knowledge on what social workers can and cannot do that leads to a lot of parents losing their children.

Moreover, aware of the public’s ignorance a social worker will resort to bullying, duping and scaring parents into signing over their children.

This was made easier for the heartless SS to get away with by the 1989 Children’s Act which in effect meant a veil of secrecy was thrown around court proceedings involving children.

And in turn, this is another reason so few people from the middle classes and upwards knows what is really going on.

Course, as I have just said, this secrecy and wall of silence imposed around child welfare were supposed to have been put in place to protect the child.

However, far from doing so it has allowed the SS to act in a corrupt and totally unprofessional manner.

So much so in fact that it isn’t unfair to say that the child’s welfare and wishes are secondary to performance targets.

Worse still, reporting restrictions on court proceedings mean children are often removed from loving and perfectly capable parents on the flimsiest of evidence.

And because of these ‘secret courts’ parents have no recourse from anywhere because just discussing their case with anyone other than their legal advisers can result in a prison sentence.

And of course, more often than not it will be a parent’s legal team’s incompetence or indifference that will lead to them losing their child/children.

Invariably the proof is in the pudding with the vast majority of child care order cases made against parents being represented by legal aid solicitors.

Now, far be it for me to suggest that the outcome of a case is decided before hand or that the SS and Law Society are acting in complicity.

However recent Parliamentary figures show that child care orders average around 8000 a year.

Of these only between 0.1 and 0.2 percent are refused.

Moreover, Ian Joseph – a Monaco based businessman – was so alarmed about what goes on in our law courts that he set up a website specifically to help parents who have had their children snatched by the state.

Indeed, it is also true to say that I have pointed many a panicked parent in Ian’s direction.

Course, the first thing he tells parents who are receiving legal aid is that if they want their children back then they have to get rid of their solicitor and represent themselves… Sadly a far too daunting a task for many.

Liberal Democrat MP, John Hemming is also an outspoken critic and long time opponent of the way family court proceedings are conducted.

However unless you live in his Birmingham Yardley constituency he can only offer advice to those who don’t.

Both Ian Joseph and to a lesser extent John Hemming are genuine, good men… Although it has to be said that Hemming is an MP and a self confessed “love rat”. 

Unfortunately, such is the scale of the problem that both are limited on what they can do.

John Hemming, knowing the likely outcome of court proceedings will often tell parents to flee the UK for either Southern Ireland or Sweden.

Furthermore, the fact many couples follow his advice only goes to show that the accusations against them are false in the vast majority of cases… After all, you don’t up sticks and flee the country if you have little or no love for your children.

But does this major, life changing step mean you get to keep your unborn child?

Well, I do in fact know one such couple very well whom John Hemming helped relocate to County Wexford in Southern Ireland.

Course, they cannot be identified by their real names so I will call them Steve and Emma.

This is their story…

Emma, now aged 30 was living alone with her daughter (Child A) in Essex when she Met Steve – a nightclub bouncer – now aged 37.

Fast forward a few months and the couple were both delighted when Emma found out that she was pregnant with Steve’s baby (Child B).

However Emma was ill throughout the pregnancy with Pre-Eclampsia and with Steve out at work, the couple had no choice except to get a babysitter to look after Child A.

It was at this time that Child A was found to have a vaginal injury.

And under the impression that the child had somehow innocently hurt herself they took her to hospital where to their horror, Steve was accused by the SS of being responsible; despite there being no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.

Child A, a month short of being 2 years old was then forcibly taken into care.

Worse was to follow when Emma gave birth to Child B on Christmas Eve that same year.

You see, just 5 hours after giving birth Child B was taken from Emma and handed over to foster parents; and that being despite no charges being brought against Steve for the injury to Child A.

More heartbreak quickly followed when despite the couples pleas that Steve had not caused Child A’s injury they were never the less powerless to stop both children from being adopted.

So, when Emma fell pregnant with Child C they naturally asked the SS where they stood in regard to the unborn baby, the answer to which was that the baby would be taken into care immediately after Emma had given birth.

At this point out of sheer desperation the couple contacted John Hemming, who advised them to go to the Republic of Ireland.

He told them that even if the Irish SS got involved, the couple would at least receive a much fairer hearing.

Arriving in County Wexford on the 1st of June 2009, Emma gave birth just 3 days later.

However, with no Medical records available the hospital staff had no choice but to contact England; and of course in doing so, the hospital was made aware of Emma’s previous history.

Therefore with limited information to hand the Irish social services – at the request of the English Social Services – had no choice except to take Child C into care pending reports.

And remember, this was despite there being no evidence or criminal proceedings to suggest that either Steve or Emma were a danger to the Baby.

Thus began the long drawn out legal procedure of preparing reports for a court hearing.

Despite this the couple was allowed to see Child C twice weekly at a contact house.

During this period, everything seemed to be engineered towards gearing up for Child C being returned to Steve and Emma’s custody.

In fact it is fair to say that things were looking so good that the couple were not worried when Emma fell pregnant again.

However, concerned over the slow pace that things were moving, the couples Solicitor – at their behest – tried to speed proceedings up by asking for a review of the evidence regarding the injury to Child A.

This review brought to light the facts that Child A had only been subject to one injury (inconsistent with parental abuse) and neither had she been ‘Groomed’ as had been previously suggested by social workers.

More importantly, the review revealed that the babysitter Emma had been forced to use whilst she was ill – a registered childminder who had been working with disabled children – was under investigation for child abuse.

Furthermore, the couple was also becoming increasingly concerned about the level of care being offered to Child C by her foster-carer.

And with this being the case, Emma voiced these concerns to social workers.

These complaints included – amongst other things – the fact that Child C often had head lice, sore looking rashes and now called her foster-carer “Mummy”.

However, when Emma gave birth to her 4th child (Child D) the couple were devastated to learn that he too was now going to be removed from their care despite a “wait and see” approach being adopted by the Irish social workers.

This led Emma to believe that the Irish were under pressure from the English SS to take action, based on the fact that the couple was receiving excellent reports from Social Workers – despite having to jump through hoops to do so.

Again I will remind you that there was no evidence of neglect or abuse to Child A who was removed from their care because of concerns over Steve despite him never being arrested or charged with any offence towards the little girl.

Furthermore, Child A was only 2 at the time and the couple had never had any of the 3 subsequent children in their care for there to be any concerns about their parenting skills.

Never the less, Child D was placed in foster care with his sister and Steve and Emma now get to see him twice weekly along with Child C.

Moreover, and quite disturbingly they had been categorically told that the SS plan was for reunification.

However at a court hearing in April of this year, the couple was horrified to learn that despite what they were told about reunification, the SS intend to keep both children in permanent foster care.

Alarmingly, not only does this course of action contradict what they were told by social workers, the fact of the matter is that no one had even bothered to discuss the plan with them.

And neither has it been discussed with them to date.

Therefore, Steve and Emma are now left in limbo.

Yet despite the agony of having their 4 children taken off of them they have somehow managed to stay together as a couple and remain strong, whereas most relationships would in all likelihood have collapsed under the strain a long time ago.

Children A and B were removed on the flimsiest of evidence and quickly adopted out effectively making it impossible to get them back.

The fact that they gave up their home, family and friends in order to flee to Ireland, for the sole purpose of keeping their unborn baby apparently counts for nothing.

Moreover, the couple are acutely aware that should their Irish children be returned to them, then they will be forever under the scrutiny of the social services.

Therefore, that fact alone would be enough to ensure that Steve and Emma were nothing short of perfect parents.

Unfortunately, without the financial backing it is hard now to see where the couple goes from here.

So, is there anything that couples in a similar position to Steve and Emma can do?

And to answer that you have to understand that Steve and Emma put their faith in the British legal system.

And when that let them down they followed the well intentioned advice of John Hemming to flee the country.

They then put their faith in the Republic of Ireland’s legal system and that too has let them down.

Therefore, in theory the answer is no.

In reality however there is, but you have to take command of the situation from the start.

You see, you cannot afford to show any weakness in your resolve to hang onto your child.

Indeed, to do so will result in you being bullied into submission.

  • So firstly, never trust a social worker. I’m not saying that they are all bad, but by far the vast majority is.
  • Do not be fooled by their friendly approach as this is more often than not a trick. And above all, always keep in mind that they have no authority to do anything without a court order.
  • You also need to make sure that you film or record everything. Course, nine times out of ten they will tell you that you are not allowed to film them, but stand your ground and remember that you are allowed to film who and what the hell you like in your own home.
  • Be polite, but not friendly or openly hostile.
  • Offer no other information other than what they ask for and do not be rushed into making a rash reply.
  • If they try to get you to sign consent forms to take your child tell them to “do one” until they have a court order.
  • Always check that you are dealing with a fully qualified Social worker who is registered with your social service department… You would be surprised how many aren’t
  • Also remember that you can tell them to leave at any time.
  • Course, if they do feel that they have a strong case against you then the chances are they will return with a court order. And if that is the case then I am afraid that there is nothing you can do to prevent your child from being taken.

However, as the statistics have shown you are wasting your time employing a solicitor.

  • You must – as Ian Joseph will tell you – represent yourself in court. After all, the fact is that no one will fight harder or argue more passionately for the return of your child than you will. Course, if your child is unborn and you’ve been told that your baby will be removed from you at birth, then there’s little you can do at that time to prevent it.
  • However you will inevitably be told sooner rather than later that you have to register your baby for a birth certificate and this is where you really need to make a stand. And that being the case, flatly refuse to register your child’s birth. After all, at that stage you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Course this refusal will lead to you being bullied and threatened with all kinds of things – including prison.

But again, stand your ground.

  • No charges will be brought against you if you don’t consent. You do however need to be clued up on the workings of Admiralty law before you take this course of action. Never the less, without a birth certificate the general consensus would appear to be that the SS have no choice but to return your baby. This was evidenced following a FOI request submitted to Torbay Council under the Freedom of Information Act. The request was in the form of a question asking if a child is not registered at birth, do they have the authority to remove the child.

Torbay Council’s answer?

No they don’t. Source

However, you should be aware that having no birth certificate could present problems for your child later in life although there is an interesting article to be found HERE  about a couple who refused to register their child and have had no problems to date.

Moreover, you can cross that bridge when you come to it as for now, the important thing is keeping your child where he or she belongs and that is with you.

Never the less, if the Social Services really had the child’s best interest at heart, they too would be working to keep children with their parents.

I cannot in fact stress enough that removing a child from his or her parents should only be done when ALL other avenues have been explored.

Sadly this is not the case so think on, sometimes –  just sometimes, there is smoke without fire.

Update

I have today contacted Emma to see what has happened with the children since we last spoke.

Emma tells me that they were in court last month and the judge asked the Irish Social Services if they would care to drop the case no less than 3 times.

Yet still they wouldn’t which knowing what I do about the case is probably down to the pressure being exerted on them by the English Social Services.

Therefore, as it stands at the time of writing, Steve and Emma are due in court for the final hearing on the 29th of this month.

The hearing is listed for 15 days.

If there is any justice left in today’s legal system, the children will be given back to their parents.

The fact that over 5 years has passed is an absolute disgrace… They can never get those 5 years back.

I do of course wish Steve and Emma all the luck in the world. 

Steve, Emma and their stolen children

 

The following information is taken from Ian Joseph’s site:

THE GOLDEN RULES!!

Do PLEASE remember the golden rules: (By all means print this off and keep the copy near at hand if SS approach! Show these rules to your lawyer or social worker to prove that you KNOW your rights!)

REMEMBER THESE EVEN IF YOU FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE I HAVE ADVISED!

1: NEVER contact social services (child protection) for help or advice. Usually you should not report a partner who batters you or even a stranger who sexually assaults your young child, as if you do the SS will as often as not take your children into care (and later for adoption) to “protect them” from risk!

If they have your children and you are fighting to get them back, NEVER NEVER tell social workers how you think you are going to defeat them, or what you are going to do next! Remember, without mentioning it to “them”, that even if your children are “in care” social workers do not have the legal power to stop your children going to a call box to phone you, from going to any public library and emailing you, or even meeting you for a meal as long as they return “home” to the fosterers afterwards!

Care home girl abused by 25 men in 2 years

Source: Daily Mail Published: 27th August 2006
A 14-year-old girl placed in a council children’s home was prostituted to a group of depraved middle-aged men because staff were powerless to stop her going out. The horrific story of ‘Becky’ is highlighted in a BBC programme presented by Fiona Bruce this week which reveals how she was sexually abused by 25 men over two years – despite being known to social services and having been placed on the Child Protection Register.

Even when she was put in a children’s home – six months after her earliest allegations of abuse -staff allowed her to be used as a prostitute for fear their intervention might infringe her human rights. If the “SS” cannot prevent a young girl in their care from working as a prostitute then surely they cannot prevent other young people they “care for” from spending the day with parents if they so choose! Remember also that children of school age have a break so you can call them and speak to them through the railings without trespassing and nobody can stop you except a judge by serving a court injunction on you that will be too late to stop you reminding your children of their real family !

2: Never believe a word “they” say and always insist they put their promises down in writing. Always be pleasant and polite to social workers, but never forget they are your ENEMIES!

Remember that they may deliberately try to provoke you into shouting or violence that they will exaggerate in court leaving you with a criminal record and no children! When they shout at you forget your “pride” and look very hurt saying “why are you being like this to me?” or “I thought you were so nice until now, please don’t bully me!” Be very respectful “tongue in cheek”, but remember THEY ARE NOT POLICE so never follow their “helpful advice” especially if they say your only chance of getting your children back is to split from a partner, or parent you love and respect!

They will try and turn you against each other as the “divide and rule” principle makes sure you are confused and demoralised when you lose your case and your children too! Quite often they arrange deliberately awkward contact times with your children. This can result first in the loss of your job and then as a consequence of that, your accommodation also. Object firmly and forcefully in court to their plans and fight hard to keep your job and your house or apartment.

3: NEVER, NEVER, NEVER sign any documents they present to you, even if they say “you have to!” Social Workers rely on BLUFF. In reality they have NO POWER and no right to threaten you or give you orders of any kind! Only a COURT via an order from a judge can give you orders, and you always have the opportunity to contest those orders in court either before or after they are given to you.

No matter what threats, or promises they make, you can be 100% sure that if you get intimidated into signing they will break their word and expect you to keep yours! So, DO NOT SIGN! If your enemies run out of ammunition never send them over a case of bullets to help them out! Answer “yes”, “no” or “I don’t know” to questions WITHOUT further explanations that could be twisted to be used against you! If the “SS” do not have enough evidence against you do not “cooperate” by supplying them with what they need even if they threaten you. Once the SS have applied for a care order remember their main object is NOT the welfare of the child, it is to WIN their case against you! Disregard any threats that you must “do as they tell you “. Be polite and even apologetic when you refuse to obey them!

 

4: Never, never agree to let your children go into foster care (especially if they say it is TEMPORARY OR VOLUNTARY) Never “agree” the thresholds even if you are advised that this will ensure the return of your children, because if you do you will have admitted neglecting or abusing your child and the only question left will be to decide if you have really repented and are capable of “change”!

Usually the answer is no! Sometimes your own lawyer may tell you to agree the thresholds and/or agree to an interim care order otherwise “you will never see your children again! “That is a wicked lie designed to save the lawyers work and to help you LOSE your children! Sometimes lawyers will tell you there is no need for you to give evidence as they will speak for you; that way you may find you have lost your children very quickly without being allowed to say a word, so BEWARE! Most of the “legal aid lawyers” in the family courts are rightly known in the trade as “PROFESSIONAL LOSERS”!!

Many of them pretend to work for you when in fact they are really on the side of the Local Authority. Sack your lawyers and represent yourself if they will not let you speak! Never admit to social workers (who are your ENEMIES) that you have been at fault in even the smallest possible way, (they certainly will never admit to you that they were ever at fault!). You must never lie in court, but you should never, never admit to any fault on your part unless forced to do so by a direct “yes or no” type question in court. You must never disobey a court order by taking abroad a child already in care, but if you are pregnant and threatened neither a court nor the “SS” can stop you leaving the country before the baby is born! Sweden and Ireland are good choices!

5: Refuse to be assessed by so called “experts, “(psychiatrists, therapists, psychologists, counsellors, professionals, and the like) unless your children are returned first as otherwise the process will take place in an artificial atmosphere with you as parents emotionally distressed because your children have been taken. Remember that if the “SS” insist on these assessments their sole purpose is to gather sufficient evidence to help them win their case against you in court! Try not to answer questions with more than 5 or 6 words (they write down anything unhelpful you may let slip).

Try indeed to answer “yes” or “no” whenever possible. NEVER COMPLAIN NEVER EXPLAIN! Complaints are a waste of time and divert you from the more important task of keeping or recovering your children. Never explain or elaborate when questioned as this only gives extra material to those who wish to discredit you. Never make angry personal attacks on anybody or threaten to sue the “SS” or police at a later date, as it just makes YOU sound bad. Your whole tone must be one of “sweetness and light” regretting that your children were mistakenly taken and that THEY (not you) suffered harm and anguish as a result! Your whole case must be that YOUR CHILDREN have suffered harm (not yourself) and that you are taking action for their sake not for your own!

If you are accused of “being unable to work with the professionals”, reply that you will work 100% with them if they say their objective is to reunite your family by eventually returning your children, but that it is unfair to expect you to work with anyone whose objective declared to the court is to put your children into care or worse still have them adopted! Remember that the SS often “brainwash” children in care by telling children in care that their mother is too ill to care for them or worse still does not love them or want them anymore, but when they are adopted they will have a lovely new “forever mummy and daddy”!

Make sure you tell the children that wicked people have stolen them for money and that you will never stop fighting to get them back! Whisper in their ears or calmly make the statement in spite of horrified supervisors even children as young as 3 will remember all their lives such a brutal but necessary message. Vital however as it will eventually make a stable adoption impossible to sustain! Your reluctantly adopted children will as a result come back to you in the end!

6: Protect yourself against social workers barging uninvited into your home by fitting a small chain inside your front door. This means that if you do not unlatch the chain when you see who is calling that person would have to push the door hard enough to break the chain which would be a “forced entry “and a criminal offence if committed without a document from the court such as a “recovery order” specifically allowing entry using reasonable force.

Unless they intend to actually arrest someone or have good reason to believe someone in the house is in danger of severe physical harm, police also would have to have a warrant before breaking the chain. Usually they will not have one and would have to convince a judge that a serious crime had been or was about to be committed before one was granted.

7: If social services request a look at your medical records (probably to try and find something to discredit you) ALWAYS write to any doctor or psychiatrist that has seen you as follows:

“I respectfully request you to keep all my medical notes strictly confidential as I intend to take legal proceedings against social services and any other persons who might obtain my medical details without my express authorization”.

8: Never write a letter to anyone connected to Social Services as you might include something that could damage your case in the family court. Only accept a solicitor if he/she promises to allow you a free hand to speak in court! You should be asked this simple question in the witness box “Have you anything you would like to say to the court?” Without this promise you may be “gagged” and as already explained in Rule 4 you can lose your case without being allowed to say a word!   – SOURCE

Source*

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One thought on “British Family Courts: Protecting Children from the Baby Snatchers*

  1. I’m going to be a Father. My partner is in her 30th week. I’m originally from Germany live in England for the last 18 years. I know the NHS is bad but after reading what you wrote I’m actually scared of the NHS.
    In Germany SS worker goes to prison for even trying to brake up family. Police has no legal powers to arrest anybody while domestic violence unless there’s danger to life. When doctor in the hospital make mistake and patient dies. German CPS will send that doc to jail. Any health care worker who make up any false allegation goes to jail. That’s how’s in Germany and I guess in most EU countries.

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